But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. U.S. lawsuits . The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. . Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. Who knows. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. Period. First off, no joke on me. Search Texas Statutes. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. I agree. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. . who sells them? The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. . I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. Was it his fault? He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. . Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. But this time, the sound bites used were different. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Really? Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. You couldnt ask questions. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Ron, Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. The Hide Armory. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. Nope. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Wheee!!. A shame but then no one was hurt. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Kyle . BAM. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. Look a fanboy. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. But that's not working in the P320, he said. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. I didnt even touch it! Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. I have no idea. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? . Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. 2. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. Theyre the only product that is not. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Where is this lightning striking twice? The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900.